71 comments on “Movie Review: The Extended Director’s Cut of “Gods and Generals”

  1. Thanks for the review OMG&G it sounds great! And everything I could have hoped for, I honestly think I might shed a tear of relief when I finally see it after such a long painful wait. I only wish I could see it with a few of my core group friends. I hope that the critics that did hate it give it a second look and see the film I always knew it was

    • Maybe you and the core will make it down there for the screening? I’d love to go but with work and all, I probably won’t be able to.

  2. Thank you for the review, Greg. Very interesting. I’m look forward to it even more after seeing the new batch of clips.

    I’m curious, did the Hancock/Armistead scene in California and the Chamberlains’ scene from the soundtrack DVD not make the cut?

    • No, that did not make it in, unfortunately. There is some extended dialogue between Pickett and Armistead at Fredericksburg, but that’s all.

  3. Great review Greg, now I absolutely can’t wait!

    Can I make a bit of an odd request? You mentioned that the battle scenes at Antietam were a little under ten minutes. Is there any chance you could tell me the exact length of the combined battle sequences? I want to know what to expect.

  4. Greg, just wanted you to know that when I clicked on the link to check out the deleted scenes of G & G, I got a message that my computer was infected and my security software had blocked them; trojans, worms etc.

    • Hmm that’s strange. I clicked on it and nothing happened. No one has had a problem so far. Those clips were put there directly by WB.

      • Was it security software that you actively know you have, or was it software the webpage claimed you had?

  5. Excellent review, Greg! The only thing that disappoints me about it is that the scene with Jackson praying before First Manassas has been cut. I thought that was a particularly powerful piece of acting from Stephen Lang. Oh, well. Guess I’ll have to keep the theatrical version for that scene, but that’s life.

    Still, cannot WAIT to see this! Just eleven days to go. Just hope the world doesn’t end beforehand. :P

      • LOL! :P Don’t worry, according to the site (I was curious) the Rapture is on the May 21 and the world will be destroyed on October 21. So we’ll still be able to watch it while dodging meteorites :P :P

      • LOL! That would be an exceedingly long article! :P . You know though now that you mention it, how about an article on the Millerites? You could talk about how these aren’t the first people to be so hilariously wrong :P . History repeats its fools.

  6. So I guess this is a stupid question, but … I know you were bummed when you found out the movie contained *only* an extra hour. Does the one hour do it? Did they make the best of their one hour? Do you not feel *quite* so bad about the loss of the other 1.5 to 2 hours?

    • I think everyone was expecting 5-6 hours, because of rumors over the years, and even James I. Robertson’s statement in November, but according to Maxwell in the film’s introduction, they only shot about five hours worth of usable footage, so the 4 hours and 40 minutes is very close to that. Like everyone, of course I wanted more, but I am more than happy with the finished product.

  7. Sorry, Greg, I got a couple more questions…

    The movie is PG-13 for extended battle scenes and “disturbing images”. What might these images be?

    Also, being a massive fan of the score, is there more score that was unheard in the theatrical release? I would think there might be, but I (obviously) haven’t seen the blu-ray cut yet.

    Thirdly, I did not read much of your commentary because I don’t want to spoil the movie for myself, but I noticed you mentioned that a couple of things had been shortened/left out. How much of this removal goes on?

    • 1) The disturbing images are not too bad. The men getting shot in the cornfield are a little more graphic, and there is some blood spilling.

      2) There is not that much new music that I noticed, maybe 10 minutes worth. Can’t be precise. I actually have an article typed on that and saved for tomorrow, suggesting a release of another soundtrack.

      3) Only two major things were cut, both being a character praying. I liked them both originally, but I did not miss them being going. It goes to help the flow.

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  10. Greg,

    One thing I’m wondering is why is Chamberlain supposedly attending a play near the end with Fanny? Isn’t he supposed to be quarantined with the rest of the 20th Maine? Is there any such scene explaining this outbreak within their ranks?

    • Oh, and to comment on the supposedly 6-minute Battle of Antietam – that’s just about all there was in the novel, too, so it’s not like Maxwell took extreme expansive liberties with it like he did by creating the entire First Manassas sequence. And even at only 6 minutes – that still TWICE as much of Antietam than was shown att he start of GLORY!

  11. Having flipped through the script again, I have a couple more queries I was wondering if you can answer for me. Because, dang it all, I can’t wait till May 24th!!

    1) You mentioned that the previously available scene of Jim Lewis speaking with the other African-American Confederate has been reinstated. I’d like to know, is the earlier scene between the two of them also extant in the director’s cut? It was a conversation between them about this same person’s master and would have taken place after Antietam, within the same sequence as Heros Von Borcke presenting Jackson with the new coat.

    2) In the screenplay some of the sequences during the Moss Neck passage of the film were significantly rearranged in the theatrical cut — and, I feel — to the slight detriment of the story’s progression. In script form, the winter quarters passage after the “Silent Night” montage, which ended with Chamberlain’s letter to Fanny, was as follows: Jackson’s execution of the deserters; the Confederate and Yankee trading in the middle of the Rappahannock (the rebels were listening to a different song being sung by the Federals on the opposite side of the river, and NOT “Silent Night”); the Jane Beale scene in Jackson’s cabin; the “Bonnie Blue Flag” scene; and then Chamberlain’s conversation with his brother on slavery.

    This is in the nitpicking realm, to be sure, but I’m an editor as well as moviegoer and my curiosity has the better of me. I also wonder if the chronology in the Harpers Ferry sequence at the beginning of the film has been somewhat revised (such as Jackson’s “Men of the valley …” speech to his soldiers coming at the beginning of that passage, instead of his meeting with Jenkins and his son).

    • Yes, there is an earlier scene with Jim Lewis and the newly “freed” man from the Steal Away to Jesus scene.

      There is also an extension of the Bonnie Blue Flag scene, where they make fun of Lincoln.

  12. I wonder how close this version is to the version originally submitted back in ’02 to the MPAA. Initially, it received the R; Maxwell had been trying very hard for a PG-13 rating, so he was really surprised. The MPAA gave Maxwell the problem points, Maxwell ratcheted them down, resubmitted it, and received the lowered rating.

    So Greg, you may be right about the MPAA lowering it’s standards (I’m almost certain you’re right, unfortunately, with all the trash let out in theatres today). I’ll bet this is really close, if not, the original R version.

    • It is a shame, and I do hope that the Antietam scene is not was caused the R rating. It’s brutal, yes, but there is not a large amount of blood, and compared to the crap in theaters today that get by with PG-13, it’s really nothing.

      • I always figured it got the R rating because of the 20th Maine fellow being decapitated by shrapnel.

      • That’s right, Ben Kullman, an extra, told me about that scene (I believe it was when they were waiting in reserve at Antietam). I was upset to see that it did not make it into the director’s cut.

  13. Greg, maybe you’ve said (or implied) somewhere, but are you pro-south or pro-north? Or do you have another take on it? You *seem* to have pro-southern sympathies at times…but you live in NY, so I’m not sure. :)

    • Was born in New York, currently live in New Jersey. I guess you can say that I am kinda split down the middle. I love the southern generals, have a Confederate flag on my wall (along with a 20th Maine and CSA Irish brigade flag), and will defend their cause until I’m blue in the face against anyone that says they fought solely for slavery. There are many Union figures I respect and look up to as well, such as Chamberlain, Hancock, and Meagher. I am not a fan of Lincoln’s politics yet I cannot help but respect the man and father, who was a fascinating character.

  14. Great review. Can’t wait till to see the extended version of “Gods and Generals” myself. I’m a little disappointed that they took out Jackson’s prayer on the eve of Manassas. It was a short and beautiful prayer that I didn’t find to be overly religious. The prayer capurted the man’s belief and made the line he would later tell Sandie Pendleton why he was not afraid to die in battle.

    • Chances are, if I have enough time on my hands, I’ll make my own edit of the movie and put that prayer back in…and whatever other removed footage I can. hehehe But I have yet to see the film, obviously, so my thinking might change.

  15. Do you know if the Intermission point is different in the Director’s Cut than it was in the Theatrical and previous DVD versions?

  16. Just a quick question. Does anyone know if G&G Director’s Cut is coming on DVD as well or just Blu-ray? I really hope it’s coming on DVD as I don’t have a Blu-ray player…..I know, I know, I’m dreadfully behind the times, LOL.

      • Bummer, OK, thanks for the response. Maybe I’ll have to get into the 21st century and purchase a Blu-ray player…….OR wait for July 4, but that’s such a LONG way away. :)

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  18. Hey I originally saw the theatrical release and loved it. I loved the respect showed towards the South and to Christianity. I makes me sad to hear that the prayer scenes could be gone. Have they removed all traces of what I loved about the original release? Does it still respect Stonewall and his faith? Please let me know.

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  21. I noticed that the two scenes of the irish brigade in the streets of fredericksburg were not added. Maybe b/c they didn’t want to confuse anyone further since St. Claire Mulholland didn’t command the Irish Brigade in the attack.

    I heard there was also filming with the Irish Brigade getting their sprigs of green, too bad that wasnt in there either.

  22. I wonder if this “new” and improved version of Gods and Generals will be able to build the momentum needed to get The Last Full Measure made?

  23. Greg,
    I can’t remember if I have seen this movie, the original or otherwise. I don’t even know if you still monitor this blog, but I have a question. With the Christmas season here I keep hearing Silent Night. Every time I hear it I think of a battle scene where it is being played while soldiers are dying. But for the life of me I can’t remember the movie. Is it God’s and Generals?
    If you still monitor this, please let me know before I drive myself mad. :)
    Thank you,
    Jessica

    • There is a “Silent Night” scene in G & G, but it’s not overlaid with soldiers dying. It’s sung in the Corbett’s home when they have all the top Confederate generals over for Christmas, then it begins to fade away as the trading scene on the Rappahannock begins. Hope it helps!

      GC

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